Drupal vs Joomla: popularity

Google trends is a tool that analyzes Google web searches and that can visualize search trends over time using so called "search-volume graphs". These graphs usually provide a good mechanism to compare the popularity of two or more products.

Here is the search-volume graph that compares Drupal and Joomla:

It is worth pointing out that Joomla has been around a lot longer than the graph suggests. In 2005, the bulk of Mambo's core developers left Mambo and started Joomla after a dispute with Miro Corporation, the company that founded Mambo. Keep this in mind when interpreting the graph. (I tried adding Mambo to the graph but the term Mambo isn't unique to Mambo, the content management system.)

That said, you can see that Joomla is more popular than Drupal, and that Joomla has been growing a lot faster. Why? The general consensus is that Joomla has a more appealing balance between functionality, flexibility, performance, quality of code, ease of use, documentation, user interface design, support and product marketing.

I want to add that Drupal is not trying to compete with Joomla. We are actually pretty good at ignoring the competition, and just do what we think is best to do. Regardless, there is significant overlap in functionality and many of our users ask questions about the differences between both ...

Comments

Caleb (not verified):

Hmm. So what's the good news and/or where does Drupal have a competitive advantage over Joomla, are the questions which leap to mind...

The open source IBM project for instance, decided to go with Drupal over Joomla/Mambo because:

"Mambo was very appealing from the ease of install and the UI, but the development track at the time was fractured and didn't give us any confidence of support."

That's not a very descriptive/sourced statement by the IBM'ers, but what's up with that? Is there anything to it?

Likewise they affirmed their choice of Drupal by saying:

"We did have to invest some time to learn the Drupal way, and the framework just seemed to make sense. We also felt that Drupal provided the right combination of framework and flexibility to break out of the framework when needed to get the job done."

Does Joomla offer the same extensibility?

August 29, 2006
bertboerland (not verified):

See also my posting. Less about Joomla (which you should focus on less as well) but more about Drupal.

August 29, 2006
chx (not verified):

Apparently we treasure other values and that's just fine. Drupal is clean, lean and super extendable. Everything else comes after these. Or so I think.

August 29, 2006
Caleb (not verified):

Did my own follow-up by Googling "joomla drupal" and most of the links I clicked on tilted toward Drupal over Joomla (especially if one eliminates the standard installer/ease-of-use whining, which the next release will take care of anyway), so I don't know if it could be considered "general consensus" that Joomla is "better". (et tu?)

This guy had some good comparison commentary, interlaced with, perhaps, some good marketing theory.

August 30, 2006
Khalid (not verified):

Actually, it depends on how one looks at it. Joomla is the continuation of Mambo. So, a graph that shows all three of them, Drupal, Mambo, Joomla is more appropriate. You can see that Mambo/Joomla declined then started to recover.

Having said that, Google trends chronicles searches, which is not a measure of popularity or quality, just what it says: searches.

August 30, 2006
Anonymous (not verified):

You can't really do a comparison including "Mambo" in Google search results and make any meaningful link to Joomla and Drupal: the term "Mambo" is used in other contexts (i.e. "Learn to Dance Mambo").

August 30, 2006
Anonymous (not verified):

I'm afraid the popularity of dancing the Mambo is inversely proportional to the growing interest in opensource CMS systems.

December 17, 2008
elv (not verified):

I guess the guys at Joomla are better at marketing. Just look at the description on their homepage, it says

"Joomla! is one of the most powerful Open Source Content Management Systems on the planet. It is used all over the world for everything from simple websites to complex corporate applications. Joomla! is easy to install, simple to manage, and reliable."

Could we say the same about Drupal ? Technically yes (with the upcoming install system), but newcomers won't believe it. The website doesn't seem to tell the same story. The color palette is so cold, the pages seem so nude. Add obscure catchphrases (community plumbing, wtf?), outdated screenshots, and an ordinary description on the homepage, and you get an overall feeling of geeky bricolage.

This may sound harsh, but as a designer I can see everyday how much these things count. In fact I really thing drupal.org is not badly designed. I know the goal is not to compete directly with Joomla or any other framework/CMS, but it seems to me the quality, power, and credibility of Drupal could be better shown and told. It's about communication, not marketing buzzwords.

It took me a long time, even after I registered at drupal.org, to fully understand the true quality of Drupal. You know every CMS pretends to be great... Fortunately I've been stubborn enough. :)

August 30, 2006
Dries:

I second that Joomla has better marketing and that their website is more appealing to first time visitors.

If your goal is popularity/revenue/marketshare, technology doesn't necessarily win. Marketing is important too.

August 30, 2006
scribez (not verified):

I second that Joomla has better marketing and that their website is more appealing to first time visitors. If your goal is popularity/revenue/marketshare, technology doesn't necessarily win. Marketing is important too.

Typical Drupalian statement. Pray. Tell me something Joomla can’t do that Drupal does that you assume is more technologically advanced. If it is cleaner code and flexible APIs then watch out because that has all been fixed in the upcoming Joomla version 1.5.

Marketing? Do you know there is something called Wordpress that has a uglier looking website/forum than Drupal but still remains the most popular. Joomla is easier to install, work with, and even the templating is far easier. Reasons why site like http://www.joomlabeauty.com/ and http://www.joomlaawards.com/ have cropped up.

September 1, 2006
elv (not verified):

Apples and oranges. Different goals, different audiences. Drupal at the moment is aimed at developers and web designers. Joomla and Wordpress are also aimed at non-developer users as an out-of-the-box solution, which Drupal doesn't claim to be. Wordpress administration is not that simple. In fact if you just use it as a blogging tool it's a bit overhelming. But it's nicely laid out and is far less intimidating than Drupal's administration pages!

September 1, 2006
Dominik Lukes (not verified):

How about something like this for a marketing pitch:

What makes Drupal-powered sites great? Drupal-powered sites are more than brochures, they invite interaction. Drupal-powered sites can serve up visitors data of any complexity and when more is needed they can be extended to handle that too. They're easy for people to find with search engines. People who visit are likely to come back. And when more people come they still find a fast and responsive site. In other words, community, accesibility, and scalability.

It's a bit clunky but I successfully used a similar pitch to my department when it was deciding on a CMS.

August 30, 2006
scribez (not verified):

"Could we say the same about Drupal ? Technically yes (with the upcoming install system), but newcomers won't believe it. The website doesn't seem to tell the same story. The color palette is so cold, the pages seem so nude. Add obscure catchphrases (community plumbing, wtf?), outdated screenshots, and an ordinary description on the homepage, and you get an overall feeling of geeky bricolage."

Amen to that. :)

August 30, 2006
Dries Knapen (not verified):

Slightly off-topic, but did anyone notice where those searches are coming from?

On position 1 there is Budapest (home to Karoly Negyesi aka chx), on position 2 there's Vancouver (home to Bryght), and on position 4 there is San Francisco (home to Civicspace).

It looks like Drupal's popularity is closely linked to its developers. Or, chx et al are just going wild on Google. :)

(As a side note, those numbers are obviously relative and not absolute.)

August 30, 2006
Grugnog (not verified):

Perhaps part of the reason is that Drupal is extremely search engine friendly. For example a Google search for 'views' comes up with the Drupal Views module as result number 4.

If people searching for Drupal answers get their results on the first page, and people searching for Joomla/Mambo have to revise their query 3 or 4 times to find the result that helps them then this would (at least partially) account for fewer Drupal searches.

August 30, 2006
snegny (not verified):

Amazing, but at the moment Drupal views.module comes first when searching for 'views'.

February 25, 2007
joer (not verified):

How can a valid comparison be made between Joomla vs Drupal "popularity" when simply checking search engine results? That is only part of the picture.

How many downloads do each of these portals have? Again, that too is a partial picture - since the project with more version releases would gain more total downloads.

How many websites are "Drupal"-powered vs "Joomla"-powered? That is also tough since templates can be modified to remove the notice at the bottom, etc.

August 30, 2006
John (not verified):

I've used TYPO3 extensively (4+ years) and haven't been so happy with the development during the last year or two. After looking at Drupal and Joomla, I chose Joomla because my content editors found it was easier to add and edit content. To me, Drupal, like TYPO3, seems more geared to developers, but I have to worry more about my content editors and which CMS they prefer to use. Also, the extension directory for Joomla is so nicely built and has many great features.

September 10, 2006
Dries:

I'm not really familiar with Typo3 (only spent a couple hours using it) so I can't really comment on that. I would, however, be interested in the feedback from your content editors. Especially the kind of feedback that can be translated into concrete action points.

September 11, 2006
Stein (not verified):

Joomla and Mambo are often offered as one click installers on popular hosting platforms. So it is very easy to start a Joomla installation. Downside of things are that users who only have experience with this one click install script usually neglect possible security issues.

We host sites for 5000 customers, about 10 percent of them uses a Mambo or Joomla setup because it is offered in the control panel. About all security issues on our servers are related to unpatched vulnerabilities.

Untill now we haven't dealt with a compromised Drupal installation because it forces the user - by the way it installs - to learn the platform. After going through the install most users will be able to patch flawlessly.

I think polularity will increase with the upcoming webbased installer. If a system that warns users for vulnerabilities or even fixes them automatically is implemented, Drupal will probably be the best system for every user, from the code experienced to the one click experienced user.

September 16, 2006
Brad Baker (not verified):

Dries, we're not 'competing' with Drupal either. Just a small clarification though, you say: "In 2005, the bulk of Mambo's core developers left Mambo and started Joomla.". In reality it was the entire development team that left, unified and unanimous in our decision ( original statement).

All the best for Open Source! :)

November 3, 2006
Anonymous (not verified):

Hi Dries, very nice post. It's good to know that you yourself are open to this line of thought.

Why is Joomla more popular? IMHO:

0. Changing nature of customers. It used to be that if you wanted a web site, you either needed to study HTML etc, or get a web developer to produce the web site. Now, customers are empowered to try and do things for themselves, causing a new entity to emerge: the prosumer -- a hybrid of "producer" and "consumer".

Most of these prosumers are just looking to set up simple websites and blogs. Joomla is appealing to these because it's a quick fix.

In addition, I suspect (though I don't have stats) that Drupal appeals to developers while Joomla appeals more to that breed of web developers who are more focused on design than on architecture. This is a much wider user-base, methinks.

1. Easier to install. Drupal is a headache to install especially if you don't know what you're doing. Joomla is easier to install. Well, relatively easier. We need that Drupal installer!

2. Looks better right out of the box. After you install Joomla, the default theme looks great. Even their site looks great and professional. They even have this graphic that makes it look like Joomla comes in a boxed package. So I agree with those who say that Joomla marketing is better (at this point :-)).

3. Drupal needs better themes -- or an easier way to make themes. Drupal is still young compared to the other CMS. Because of this, the development has focused on functionality but not really on the look. It's very difficult to learn how to change its look (I'm trying to learn it, and I don't have time).

4. Drupal's website is cluttered and rough. Some recent improvements have been made, but it's still not enough. Take it from the point of view of a newcomer, wanting to find out what makes Drupal tick and how to install it (which is how I felt and sometimes still feel whenever I visit the site). This is ironic because Drupal's tools can actually be used to improve the information architecture of the website!

Having said all that, I still think Drupal is more extensible and better suited to manage knowledge, mainly because of its powerful taxonomy management and its flexibility.

Here are some possible Next Actions in line with this:

1. Evangelize more about Drupal's architecture/flexibility.

2. Improve ease of changing Drupal's look and feel. (The usability improvements using AJAX may be a good step towards this, but we still also need better themes or a better way to tweak the look)

3. Attract more design-oriented users. With all due respect to the hardworking developers, the community needs to widen reach beyond hard-core developers. We need more designers who are willing to contribute their themes or port beautiful themes into Drupal. This probably needs evangelization too.

http://digitalsolutions.ph/couchkamotereviews/why_choose_drupal

November 10, 2006
Rogue_77 (not verified):

I find this an interesting article, although short. I like the debate though.

I've only learned of CMS' a year ago, abouts, and tried Xoops, Joomla then learned of Drupal. I've been using Drupal since. I have to entirely agree that Drupal should boost its markeeting scheme, hype itself up and ad more flari to its website because its always the same old. I actually read more on the site then usual today and its so dry and technical and hard to understand. I'm no coder. Also IMO Drupal NEEDS more themes, and needs more VARIETY of them. They all kind of look alike which is not cool.

I like the functionality and what it can do and ease of use, and the install of 5.0 rc1 is a LOT easier over 4.7. I admit I still don't entirely understand how powerful the taxonomy is and that was quite confusing to wrap my brain around when I learned what it was, the categories, vocab, taxo, etc.

About a year later I feel almost more then ever that I need to be able to code php to be able to get a real pretty site where I can just kind of cobble one together. I can say I'm in it for the themes because I just want a site that does what I want and looks pretty and doesn't break.

Thats my two cents from a "n00b."

I'll actually be looking more closely at Joomla after this as I never really gave it a chance.

Not a threat or anything, just a fact.

January 1, 2007
Anonymous (not verified):

Yes, if Joomla is catching up with Drupal about their weaker issues, then Drupal should do the same about Drupals weaker issues towards Joomla? Or not?

Then I'm missing TikiWiki in this picture. Apparently most are quite focussed on their own system, even forgetting to look at the pro's & con's of TikiWiki.

And how about MediaWiki? That is a success story too!

Suppose Drupal can make a 'bridge' or something to MediaWiki?
In the way that doc's can be easily imported/exported/ integrated and so on + username/passwords sharing...?

Good luck!

January 12, 2007
Robert de Bock (not verified):

Here is the link to a graph including mediawiki and tikiwiki.

http://google.com/trends?q=drupal%2Cjoomla%2Cmediawiki%2Ctikiwiki&ctab=0...

Personal opinion; Drupal is a CMS-framework, Joomla is a weblog tool.

November 30, 2007
lyricnz (not verified):

Here's a live link to the comparison on google-trends.

http://google.com/trends?q=drupal%2Cjoomla

The joomla curve is looking a bit flatter now. Who knows if that means anything.

April 30, 2007
darkswan (not verified):

Joomla was a dead end for me in April 2007 as it did not offer the ability to let end users separately control their own content. this is called ACL, and should be the foundation of managing any content. Joomla is pretty interface and works well if you have once group of users, but if your a developer wanting to empower the end user with the ability to create and edit content Drupal is your answer.

May 11, 2007
Nick (not verified):

I have been studying a lot of joomla vs drupal debate for setting up my first site. I have just summarised some of my finding on my blog Drupal Vs Joomla. I hope it helps.

Personally I am going for drupal.

May 21, 2007
Woodsboy (not verified):

Am always amused by the 'my CMS is better than yours' attitude. It reminds me of Mac vs PC pish. You use whatever is appropriate for the job...

I use both Drupal and Joomla for all sorts of sites. I have to say that it doesn't matter if I put my best designer programmers on a drupal job, it still has the feel of a site made in a back bedroom by someone wearing underpants.

At the end of the day if I produce sites for companies they always ask for performance but end up paying for looks. I think this is where Joomla scores.

Also when anyone asks me where to start in CMS's I can put my hand on my heart and recommend Joomla. Drupal works beautifully but it does have a difficult learning curve.

Also I do get annoyed at people that think they have an opinion on CMS's because they set it up on a server at home once. I have been messing with these things for too many years and the true value of them can only be assessed after living with them day after day, and more to the point, living with people that you have built them for afterwards. I do believe Joomla has the advantage there for ease of maintainability.

June 1, 2007
chet the vet (not verified):

I also have found that Drupal has been the most flexible of the two as well as the most user friendly.

December 26, 2007
Per André (not verified):

@ Dries: I think it's cool that you bring up this topic; you do it in a nice a balanced way. I come from Jooomla-world, and I am now looking into Drupal because of the core multisite and community features. I must say that while templating is super easy with joomla, Drupal gives me a very robust impression over all. Keep up the good work!

January 11, 2008
Non-techie (not verified):

I think an urban myth has sprung up that says you have to know how to code to use Drupal. I'm totally non-technical and I've found Drupal just as easy to use as Joomla. I also looked at the file size of the application and concluded in a non-technical way that Drupal must be better coded than Joomla because it's a lot smaller and has about the same functionality. I also appreciate the fact that there are guidelines for extension development in Drupal where in Joomla extensions have very wacky interfaces, security issues and functionality that is not standardized at all.

January 11, 2008
Self Improvemen... (not verified):

I agree with Joer. Just looking at the search volume only means that it was more actively searched. It could be as simple as not having a guessable website address sometimes so that you are forced to search rather than just type it in.

I disagree that they aren't in competition with each other. I wouldn't see both packages on the same url which automatically puts them in competition with each other, regardless of the marketing.

January 23, 2008
komik oyunlar (not verified):

Apparently we treasure other values and that's just fine. Drupal is clean, lean and super extendable. Everything else comes after these. Or so I think.

February 7, 2008
çocuk oyunları (not verified):

Actually, it depends on how one looks at it. Joomla is the continuation of Mambo. So, a graph that shows all three of them, Drupal, Mambo, Joomla is more appropriate. You can see that Mambo/Joomla declined then started to recover.

Having said that, Google trends chronicles searches, which is not a measure of popularity or quality, just what it says: searches.

February 14, 2008
Sandor (not verified):

I am using the newest version 6.1 of Drupal on my site that I am right now participating with to the international webmaster and search engine optimization contest "Seocontest2008" organized by UK Webmaster World.

I opted for Drupal for it is the most friendly versatile CMS I ever met.

March 7, 2008
John Coonen (not verified):

I host a Joomla user group in Chicago. One of the things we're doing is trying out Drupal, to see what the commonality/differences are.

I agree that Joomla's communication is far better, but not convinced the software itself is superior. At the end of the day, SOFTWARE is only as good as the TOTAL program - the code, the marketing, the support, the ease of use, the graphic design and usability, the supporting documentation...It's like saying the quality of a film is all about how well the celluloid holds up - forget the actors, cinematography, music, etc.

So, I'd recommend to ANYONE wanting to develop their own software - get a well-rounded TEAM to help out. Get a damn good code team, but for goshsakes, surround them with talent at all levels!

-JMC

March 11, 2008
Anonymous (not verified):

So how did your group's comparison between Joomla and Drupal turn out?

June 29, 2008
Gregg (not verified):

In comparing Joomla and Drupal - I use them both, but for very different tasks. Which is better - a rake or a shovel? Depends on the need.

Joomla is more suited for displaying content like company home pages, shopping, etc - and does so very simply and very well. Content sites can be done with Drupal - but are faster with Joomla to me. Only frustration - ever seen a good Joomla theme repository like Drupal has?

Drupal is more suited for community involved pages - where people interact, send messages, build the "mysite", etc. Also excels where PHP in the site is needed - natively supported. Setup a Christian networking site and it was very easy with Drupal. May start using for content sites given the ease of finding good tested themes.

Using Joomla for a community-based site is like digging with a rake.

April 30, 2008
he_who_shall_no... (not verified):

Is this possible because of Drupal's "cooperate or die" politics?

"The Competition is good meme popped up in IRC too. I disagree. Cooperation is good. Competition just confuses people and leads to effort duplication in this case."

("this case" is a particular case for few contributed modules.)

May 12, 2008
abdul (not verified):

I also have found that Drupal has been the most user friendly..
excellent topic...

June 16, 2008
Mark (not verified):

I'm also not highly technical and I've found Drupal just as easy to use as Joomla.

September 7, 2008
Greg (not verified):

Interesting. I just ran the trends again and Joomla is still well ahead, *but* Drupal has near-equal traffic in the USA and seems to have more traffic in Canada. There is definitely a strong ground-swell of support. Also, as a London-based Drupal developer, I find myself getting busier and busier. :-)

September 22, 2008
David (not verified):

I have only used Joomla. I had seen the word as I had seen Drupal. My brother introduced me to it - not sure how he fell upon it. It has helped us massively because there is such a big community and there are so many extensions.

Someone else will have had the problem before and with so many extensions there is usually something to suit which can be bolted onto the website.

This is the advantage of Joomla over Drupal. It is popular because it is popular. Many will accept that if MSN and its Windows system did not have such a massive presence this dirty operating system would have been canned long ago. Why do I not run Linux? It is better - but others do not run it and I have to translate my documents to suit the rest of the world and there just isn't the level of add on software out there.

Both Joomla and I guess Drupal take webcraft to the next level - the CMS level. Perhaps if I had more time I would look at Drupal - maybe there would be areas where I would find it better. Joomla suits me right now. Long live and prosper CMS I say whether it be Drupal or Joomla - or something else...

November 26, 2008
Chris Mueller (not verified):

I have found Joomla to be much easier to use than Drupal, and just have much more Open Source Plugins available.

I know that Drupal is a powerful system, and will be great if it catches on the way that Joomla did. It is the Joomla Community that drives the software.

December 1, 2008
Anonymous (not verified):

We've been using Joomla and Drupal since 2005. It's actually silly to compare them because their strengths are so distinct. A site that needs Drupal will not be a site that needs Joomla, given clear objectives. Joomla 1.5 with its MVC architecture turned it from a toy into a real framework CMS like Drupal, however.

Drupal has massively better support for ACLs, multi-site management, end-to-end content management, collaborative publishing, and administration flexibility. Not really close. Joomla's access control is a rather laughable.

Joomla has massively better support for extensions, templating, content editing and authorship, single-site installation. There you have the source of their popularity - if you want to get a client managing his/her own site content with minimal training and slap a couple modules in for polling and weather, let's say, Joomla wins hands-down. For most small businesses, that's their focus.

December 1, 2008
Alter (not verified):

Joomla 1.0.x died ... Welcome Joostina 1.2.0!

December 9, 2008
Anonymous (not verified):

New to Drupal, familiar with Joomla, experienced with CMSs dating back to the late 90s.

I'm a marketing professional for a software company seeking a platform to manage a number of dynamic, content driven applications. Some internal, some external.

The biggest problem with Drupal is there is zero separation between administration of the site you are building and the site itself. This is very confusing. Period. If you want to see what this confusion feels like, watch this video: http://drupal.org/usability-test-university-baltimore-community-solutions

Evangelists of Drupal often say "it has a steep learning curve". I believe that is a euphemism for "we didn't think things through on the usability side". Additionally, I often read evangelists state "Drupal is not competing with other CMSs". Sorry, as a marketing professional, I humbly state you are competing with these other CMS solutions. Like it or not (and most developers don't), the potential Drupal user community is much larger on the marketing than developer side. Unfortunately, marketers don't appear to be the target audience.

Software is software. Like most users, I don't read a manual, but rely on my previous software experiences to "feel" my way through the application. This is generally a sound approach because most software uses common metaphors, workflows, etc.

I walked into the Drupal cave, and my flashlight went out immediately. I simply walked around in the dark cursing. It all started when I was unexpectedly able to move the Drupal Administration navigation from the left to the header. Why? Why would I want to edit my administration UI? When I learned a separation didn't exist, I just scratched my head. As a user, I don't want to unlearn 12 years of how I think about using software.

As a technical marketer, I have to say Drupal makes little sense to my "mind". Marketers don't think about frameworks and plumbing. What we understand and visualize is:

Logging into an application, and having the option to create:

#Sites
#Pages/Articles (assigned to #Sites)
#Themes/Layouts (assigned to #Pages/Articles)
#Boxes (assigned to #Themes/Layouts)
#Content Types (assigned to #Boxes)

Now, I've heard good things about Drupal, and I haven't quit on the platform. Professionally, I find Joomla clumsy, but I was able to build a site that others could edit in a matter of days. That has value whether or not Joomla code is squeaking clean or extensible. The tech industry junkyard is full of better technologies that failed to reach their target audience.

While Drupal has apparently built more value in the weeds, my first impression is that there is not enough value built into the clouds.

Best to all.

February 24, 2009
Josh - Cock Blocker (not verified):

Joomla seems like it is lacking the momentum behind it that other CMS's like wordpress have. I think the most poignant element is that of themeability not just in design, but in plugins as well.

My 02.

Josh

March 10, 2009
Saurabh (not verified):

I love Drupal . Period. Do understand how amazingly scalable and extensible it is. But the matter of fact also is that Joomla is simpler. In Drupal configuring some of the modules too can be tough at times. For instance there are quite a few modules which require knowledge of Views and CCK ; which themselves don't happen to be dat straight forward to figure out. Granted that these very modules make drupal a really powerful system but do have a learning curve of their own. For instance to get the twitter module working or Google map integration you need to configure views too... the whole process can be quite time consuming at times... These are some simple requirements which any net savvy client asks for .. On the other hand .. installing similar plugins in Joomla can be pretty simple and straight forward. At such times it becomes hard to explain to clients whats holding us back from completing the website on time; while his joomla website too had similar functionality .. with lesser turn around time.

So, I'd say that choosing the right CMS as per the project needs is really important.

June 13, 2009
Rod Macbeth (not verified):

Simplicity of use is going to be a large factor in choosing any product. I want to have my site up and running so I can spend my time on content not on how to configure my site.

July 27, 2009
Ian Ridgwell (not verified):

I found Mambo/Joomla bloody annoying and difficult to follow at times. Things seem to be done in such a way as to make the hair on the back of my neck stand on end. Drupal however has a learning curve that simply leads me from point a to b to c in a logical way. This isn't to say Drupal is better or that Joomla is hard to understand, just to say Drupal made more sense in a progressive way than Joomla did.

But when it comes to getting from point a to point m and getting to miss all the points between (Lets face it, time is money.) I'm finding Joomla's out of the box product is handing me something that looks polished while Drupal is telling me to find someones module and polish it myself.

This is a real sales killer, it gives me a 'mac vs windows' or 'windows vs linux' feel which means the question is pointless the answer is impossible and when people do answer it's ussually fan boy drivel or overly complex.

I use Drupal. It's unfortunate that I'm going to have to start using Joomla more though. I don't mind setting up site's but I hate polishing modules. If there is one thing I will say about Drupal it's that there are two things it needs. An out of the box txt editor that compares to the joomla/wordpress equivelent and an out of the box forum that functions a little more like popular forums of the day (SMF, vbulletin, pick your flavor.)

Also, I agree the discussion of Joomla vs Drupal is worth while. I disagree that Wordpress should be in this list. Wordpress is a focused system, it does it's job well but it isn't really on the the same product level as Joomla or Drupal (Unless your really keen to make it happen. in wich case you should be skipping over to something more Drupal, Joomla / etc.. anyway.)

August 6, 2009
mossill (not verified):

Joomla is for beginners.... I mean.. Joomla SUCKS !

August 17, 2009
Anonymous (not verified):

I love Drupal and didn't try Joomla. But I find myself updating modules the whole day and even worst: when try to develop something in a sandbox, moving to production site is a nightmare, you have to repeat the steps there,... At the end wasting to much time, double work and are chances to break the production site for a while

Has joomla something to make this more simple? I mean, having a develop install and then move to production keeping nodes and info in production intact?

October 8, 2009
Antonello Lobianco (not verified):

"That said, you can see that Joomla is more popular than Drupal, and that Joomla has been growing a lot faster."

Agree on the first sentence, disagree on the second one.
The "grow" is because of the name change. Once taked into account Mambo and considered the sum of the two searches, the grow in percent terms is much less and comparable with the Drupal one.

November 16, 2009
Ugarit (not verified):

I prefer Drupal over Joomla for two main reasons. One is the taxonomy engine and second organic groups. There is no viable equivalents in Joomla. Joomla only has a section/category and an article can only belong to one combination of section/category. This may be adequate for simple websites but is truely limiting for complex needs.

In Drupal one can aggregate virtually any content and with nearly any combination of taxonomy terms. To the best of my knowledge this is not possible with Joomla.

Simplicity is not always the correct choice. In my experience simplicity is usually an indication of lack of functionality. Complexity is usually correlated to more functionality. This is the nature of the beast.

I maintain my daughter's school's website (Joomla) and I've started creating a Drupal one. I do have one major trepidation about doing this. Simplicity perhaps is a better choice, with its lack of capability, in this case because I can't continue to maintain Drupal for years. Perhaps my fears are unfounded.

One major complaint that I have with Drupal modules is that they are inconsistent in quality. I agree with the philosophy of modularity but to enable some fundamental features in Drupal one has to take care of all dependencies. It simply takes a more sophisticated user to use Drupal. To be frank it's exhausting but I still do it. When I use Joomla I feel like I'm in a pretty prison that was well marketed, but when I use Drupal I feel that have full freedom. I have to admit freedom can be daunting.

So it all depends on your goals. Are they short term or long term? What capabilities are you looking for?

If you don't care for taxonomy (which would be odd) and don't care about organic groups then Joomla would be fine.

December 20, 2009
Dan ODonnell (not verified):

I use Joomla and a friend of mine uses Drupal, we're both intrigued by the other and really just using what we're using because it's the one we stumbled on first.

December 20, 2009
Maurice (not verified):

Did you look at the graph recently? http://www.google.com/trends?q=Joomla,+Drupal&ctab=0&geo=all&geor=all&da...

Drupal is constantly gaining in "search popularity" and in some countries, notably US and Canada, both are about the same level.

If this trend keeps up (which is everything but a given), we overtake the other in about 5 years ;-)

June 5, 2010
Jim Al-Hid (not verified):

The marketing person in me says that it is not a valid comparison since the products target different segments. Drupal is targeted towards more technical users, typically developers. Joomla is targeted toward non-technical users. While they may have similar capabilities, they are going after different audiences. Is it therefore a surprise that the program targeted at mass market is more popular than the one targeted at a subset?

July 6, 2010

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